Protein, Fruit & Veg ca:p ratios.

[Marie]

Protein

We all know the problem with suggie diets is getting the ca:p correct right?  Well have you considered just how bad MOST protein sources ratio's are.  Don't forget to get the diet balanced, we need a ratio of no less than 1:1 and no more than 2:1 and the ratio includes the protein source.

Here's a list (I still haven't figured out how to use the table function yet ..) of some commonly used protein sources and their ratio in order to help you get it right.

Beef 0.06:1
Chicken 0.06:1
Egg 0.3:1
Mealworm 0.04:1
Pinky mouse 1:1
Silkworm 0.4:1
Tofu 3.6:1
Wax Worm 0.1:1
Crickets 0.08:1
Superworms 0.05:1
Morio worm 0.1:1
locust 0.2:1
Iams 1+ cat food 1:1
Phoenix Worms small 1.2:1
Phoenix Worms med 1.5:1
Phoenix Worms large 3.2:1

Tofu looks good on paper but it contains Phytic acid which binds with the calcium which prevents the body from absorbing it.

Silkworm apparently contain an enzyme called serrapeptase, this has properties that make calcium absorption more efficient, can reduce inflammation, pain and best of all it can break down arterial plaque.

I've done a topic on Phoenix Worms with some more info and where to buy for your information.

[Marie]

Here we go, here's some popular fruit ca:p ratio's.  We can add to it when Rich asks for more weird fruit ratios!!    Sorry that it's wibbly wobbly, I STILL can't work out how to use the table function on here!!!

Papaya …………………………….. 4.8:1
Orange, Mandarine ………………..  1.4:1
Orange, Navel ……………………..  2.0:1
Figs ………………………………... 2.5:1
Lime ………………………………. 1.8:1
Raspberries ……………………….. 1.8:1
Lemon …………………………….. 1.6:1
Blackberries ………………………. 1.5:1
Tangerine …………………………. 1.2:1
Pineapple …………………………. 1.0:1
Pear ……………………………….. 1.0:1
Persimmon fruit (Sharon Fruit) ............... 1.0:1
Apple ……………………………... 1.0:1
Mango …………………………….. 0.9:1
Watermelon ……………………….. 0.9:1
Blackcurrant ...................... 0.9:1
Cherries …………………………… 0.8:1
Guava ........................... 0.8:1
Cranberry …………………………. 0.7:1
Apricots …………………………… 0.7:1
Kiwi ……………………………….. 0.7:1
Strawberry ………………………… 0.7:1
Cucumber ………………………..… 0.7:1
Cantaloupe Melon ………………… 0.6:1
Honeydew Melon ………………… 0.6:1
Blueberries ………………………... 0.6:1
Star fruit (carambola)  ……............... 0.5:1
Chinese or Asian Pear ............ 0.4:1
Peach ……………………………… 0.4:1
Plum ………………………………. 0.4:1
Pomegranate ................. 0.4:1
Dragon Fruit ..................... 0.3:1
Nectarine ………………………….. 0.3:1
Banana …………………………….. 0.3:1
Tomato ……………………………. 0.2:1
Physalis (cape gooseberry) ... 0.1:1
Passion Fruit .......................0.1:1

Remember to stay away frm rhubarb and IF you give avocado, do so in only small amounts due to the high fat content of them.

Also do NOT feed grapes, they have been directly linked to renal failure in a number of animals, it's simply not worth the risk.

[Marie]

Here's some popular veg ratio's.  We can continue to add to this one too because there aren't many!

Rosemary .......................... 4.8:1
Dandelion Greens …………………. 2.8:1
Kale .................................. 2.4:1
Basil .................................. 2.2:1
Watercress ………………………… 2.0:1
Spinach ............................ 2.0:1
Squash (Butternut) ………………… 1.5:1
Okra ................................... 1.3:1
Radish ................................ 1.0:1
Green Beans ………………………. 1.0:1
Squash (Acorn) …………………… 1.0:1
Sugar snap peas ………………….... 0.8:1
Sweet Potato ……………………… 0.8:1
Broccoli …………………………… 0.7:1
Mange Tout ................... 0.7:1
Carrots …………………………….. 0.6:1
Cauliflower ………………………... 0.5:1
Pumpkin .......................... 0.47:1
Sweetcorn …………………………. 0.02:1
 
Avoid onion and anything from the onion family, while it's not dangerously toxic, it can cause a type of anaemia called Heinz Body Anaemia. 

[tillie]

Thanks Marie

[Anita Rae]

Does anyone here give citrus to their gliders? I do occasionally when oranges are in season. They won't eat the tart ones but they love the sweet ones like navels. And the ratios are great.

[jungleflockmom]

My gliders love citrus and since I don't feed an iron supplement, I don't have to worry about too much iron.

[loulou]

Mine also get citrus every now and again and they love it, its something I give occasionally.

[Marie]

Mine had a bit of orange tonight as it happens

[catherine896]

Can somebody please explain the ratio? I know there needs to be higher calcium than phos but in these ratios there are 3 numbers?
Whats what?
Thankyou   

[jungleflockmom]

Ca:p = calcium to phosphorus. You want your overall diet to be twice as much calcium as phosphorus.

[catherine896]

Ok, so looking at these 2 then -

Papaya …………………………….. 4.8:1     4 (point) 8  :  1
Orange, Mandarine ………………..  1.4:1  1 (point) 4   :  1

Is that right? I was reading it as 4 : 8 : 1 I think!!
So calcium on the left, phos on the right?
Thanks.

[Marie]

Sheesh - haven't I posted explaining the ratio?  My bad, sorry, give me 5 mins and there will be another thread explaining how to calculate them!!

Yeah I have have a look here http://www.sugar-lumps.com/forum/index.php/topic,12.0.html

[catherine896]

Ahh thankyou! I knew I saw it somewhere I just couldnt find it again!

[catherine896]

How stupid of me, its at the bottom of the sticky threads! Sorry I couldnt find it earlier 

[Marie]

Lol - don't worry about it