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« on: March 25, 2007, 11:10:08 am » |
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History: we got new gliders...8 to be exact...well, we never really saw them all out at the same time: some would always be in the pouch...we were told we had one mom, one dad, and 2 sets of female twins...well we found out one of the "twin girls" is really a boy...turns out the reason the previous owners thought we had only one boy is b/c gabriel's testicals are still inside his body...the vet we took him to said he's been working with sugar gliders for about 4 years and had never seen a glider with that...but that he was gonna call a specialist he knew in houston to see if he'd ever experienced this...so here's to hoping!!
i don't have any previous info on their lineage...he's a classic grey...
the vet did say chances are gabe can't reproduce b/c their sperm has to be 5 degrees lower than their body temp and since his are inside him they obviously aren't any cooler...so as far as he can guess he's sterile for right now only b/c of the temp difference needed, but we don't know for sure...even that's not 100%...
our vet said we could either do surgery to put them where they should be:left intact...continue to neuter him while they do the surgery to remove them from the inside of him...or leave them be and wait to see if it causes problems...but i haven't heard back from his call to the specialist in houston...
so now we're weighing the options of surgery and all the chances involved with sutures and what not, with the fear he'll tear into himself, and leaving it be until there is a problem...
this is a very stressful decision for us...we want what will hurt him the least, but not sure which that would be...he's gentle in temperment, and very loving...but we're scared if we do the surgery he'll hurt himself more than if we left them where they are...
anyone else ever heard of this, or experienced this??
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jungleflockmom
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2007, 09:40:43 pm » |
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That's a hard decision. If you choose surgery, by all means remove the testicles as you wouldn't want to breed a glider w/this problem.
How old is this glider? Is he one of the older twins or the younger ones. You might just watch for a bit and see if they descend. Does he have a bald spot on the forehead yet?
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GlidersMommies
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 09:36:46 am » |
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he is developing his scent gland...he's one of the middle twins...about 1 year old...
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jungleflockmom
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 03:26:51 pm » |
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You certainly do have a conundrum. Your vet is probably the best person to help you make this decision as removing the testicles will involve opening the abdomen. I don't think putting them where they should be is a viable solution because that would mean you are breeding a glider w/a known problem that could be passed down to offspring and you wouldn't do that to other gliders.
So you can take the risk of the glider developing testicular cancer later in life or take the risk now that you might have a surgical complication. Not an easy decision - but either option could be the best one.
It is not certain that he is infertile although he should be. You probably want to make sure he cannot impregnate a female.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 01:22:06 am » |
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I read this on GA - what a situation to be in, I really wouldn't want to be in your shoes! All you can do is discuss at length with your vet, draw a list of pro's and con's for each choice and be comfortable with your decision.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2007, 02:12:39 am » |
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Having never kept males, I'm not really qualified to offer any advice here. It is an unusual case though - keep us up to date with how everything's going!
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2007, 09:03:41 am » |
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I have just got back from the vets with my little boy SG. He was supposed to be neutered today. But the vet discovered that he has exactly the problem described above. The vet said that although he is less likely to reproduce anyway, it is not impossible (That could mean a lot of gliders!). He also said that the risk of surgery is quite big because if he pulls on his stitches then he could open up his whole inside. And that is if he makes it through the surgery. He also said that dogs and cats with this condition are more likely to have tumours- he wasn't sure about SG.
Any ideas?
Help?
Please?
Anyone?
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2007, 09:21:36 am » |
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Maybe you should pm the thread starter (Glidersmommies) and ask what decision she came to. It's not something I've ever come accross.
I think if I was in your shoes I'd leave him entire and see what happens, IF he is fertile and does end up having joey's then you'll have to rethink.
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TessG
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 10:22:34 am » |
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Ok. Thanks. Have decided to leave him for now and see how he gets on. I have had my second male neutered but was wondering if the fact that my first male wasn't done will affect things. Any ideas how long i should leave it before i try introducing them (if at all).
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 08:51:38 pm » |
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If you can put their cages next to each other, trade pouches one for the other while the neutered glider heals and give them playtime out of cage together for a week or so, you may be on the road to keeping them together.
Were they together before neutering? If so, they should be fine together. If not, you want to introduce them to each other as above. It should take a few weeks for your neutered glider's hormones to dissipate.
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 09:35:08 am » |
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No, they have never been in together before. My first male (who can't be neutered) is in with 3 females. And the second male is in on his own and i'm worried that he is going to get lonely. But don't want to disrupt the females by moving them around.
I have got their cages as close as i can so that they can 'chat'. And have been moving their pouches around. I guess i will just have to see how they go.
It was supposed to be easy. Have them both neutered. Move in together. Everyone lives happily ever after. Instead i am fretting ( probably more than i need to).
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 08:13:36 am » |
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Even though they've been together before I'd still be inclined to do the intro's properly. You have essentially split the colony up, so need to be careful in getting them back together. Unfortunately things don't always go as smoothly as we'd hoped, they are animals at the end of the day, they are governed by instincts. I hope you manage to get them back together soon, and try not to fret too much, what will be will be, if the worst comes to the worst you'll have to consider have a pair in one cage and a trio in another (you did say 5 gliders didn't you?).
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