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« on: November 02, 2006, 11:15:28 am »

I thought that this might interest many suggie owners out there, especially as this study contains 'Kibble', which is a type of cat food....

http://bces.cnu.edu/documents/GliderPaper.pdf

Note that it says :

"None of the three diets tested appear to contain the optimal balance for meeting the nutritional needs of sugar gliders...."

That includes BML! And the diet with catfood actually comes out on top with a few things...
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 05:59:07 am »

US Diet Study in Non-Scientific terms

Following on from the link Ceri supplied regarding the diet study commissioned by the US forum Glider Central; I thought I’d break it down into simple terms to make it a little easier to understand.

The study was conducted using 3 diets, at this stage I’m not going to say what the ingredients are so that you can make an UNBIASED opinion of the study.  All I will say is that there is a very popular diet, a highly criticized diet and a diet that I have no idea what or where it came from.

Each diet was tried on 3 gliders per diet, all were kept in the same conditions, in the same size cages with the same toys, all received the same amount of daylight, the temperature was kept between the same parameters (they were kept in the same room so you get the picture ... )

The results were as follows:

1.  Weight gained
Diet A - All 3 gliders gained weight 
Diet B - All 3 gliders gained weight 
Diet C - 2 Gliders gained and on lost weight. 

2.  Dry matter Digestibility
Diet A - 73.4% 
Diet B - 76.9% 
Diet C - 78.5% 

3.  Amount of energy available (109.2kj is required by this group
Diet A - 231kj
Diet B - 151.2kj
Diet C - 138.6kj

4.  KJ's consumed
Diet A - 117.6kj
Diet B - 147kj
Diet C - 100.8kj

5.  As a %
Diet A - 51%
Diet B - 97%
Diet C - 73%

6.  Crude protein (248mg/100g required)
Diet A - 1920mg
Diet B - 2270mg
Diet C - 1330mg

7.  Protein digestibility
Diet A - 67%
Diet B - 70%
Diet C - 67%

8.  Ca:p ratio (1:1 - 2:1 required)
Diet A - As eaten 10:1
Diet B - As eaten 1:1
Diet C - As eaten 7.5 - 8.0:1

The quality of the protein is an important factor too, the quality of the protein in diet C is questionable due the the weight loss of one animal.  However, having said that, the greatest weight gain was by an animal in that group!

25-hydroxyvitamin D (I’ll call it HvitD for ease) is the most accurate measure of the amount of vitamin D in the blood.  The report states “Although we do not know the requirement for this nutrient in sugar gliders (and it may be quite low because of the fact they would not naturally consume high quantities and are nocturnal, so they may be independent of it even from sun exposure), it is possible that diets containing high levels of vitamin D may produce a feedback mechanism to actually decrease circulating concentrations.  For many other species, including sugar gliders, dietary vitamin D levels are recommended between 0.5 IU/g and 1.5IU/g of dry matter.

9.  Circulating level of HvitD
Diet A - 53ng/mL
Diet B - 70ng/mL
Diet C - 18ng/mL

10. Vitamin D levels (0.5IU/g - 1.5IU/g)
Diet A - 28IU/g 
Diet B - 1.3IU/g
Diet C - 34IU/g

As with vitamin D, the actual dietary requirements for vitamin C and for iron are unknown.  The study states, “We estimate that dietary iron concentrations should be less that 50mg/g dry diet, and vitamin C should be 100mg/kg.”

11. Vitamin C levels
Diet A - 212mg/kg
Diet B - 222mg/kg
Diet C - 260mg/kg

12. Iron levels
Diet A - 87mg/kg
Diet B - 175mg/kg
Diet C - 292mg/kg

Using non scientific methods, I’ve rated the diets, I looked at the figures and awarded points for best results or closest to the recommended amount.  Here’s my findings.

1.  Diet A - joint 1st
     Diet B - joint 1st 
     Diet C - 3rd

2. Diets were placed with the greatest amount of digestible dry matter first.
    Diet A - 3rd
    Diet B - 2nd
    Diet C - 1st

3.  Points were awarded according to which diet was closest to the required amount.
    Diet A - 3rd
    Diet B - 2nd
    Diet C - 1st

4.  Points were awarded according to which diet was closest to the required amount.
    Diet A - 1st
    Diet B - 2nd
    Diet C - 3rd as it fell below the required amount

5.  Points were awarded from the perspective of efficiency, the greater % of KJ's                 consumed equals more efficeint use of the diet
    Diet A - 3rd
    Diet B - 1st
    Diet C - 2nd

6. Points were awarded by the closest to the recommended requirement
    Diet A - 2nd
    Diet B - 3rd
    Diet C - 1st

7. Points awarded by the greatest digestibility %
    Diet A - Joint 2nd
    Diet B - 1st
    Diet C - Joint 2nd

8.  Points were awarded by the closest to the recommended requirement
    Diet A - 3rd
    Diet B - 1st
    Diet 2 - 2nd

9.  Points awarded per greatest amount (linked to 10's results)
    Diet A - 2nd
    Diet B - 1st
    Diet C - 3rd

Vit D levels according to the closest to the required amount, and vitamin C and Iron the same.

10. Diet A - 2nd
     Diet B - 1st
     Diet C - 3rd

11. Diet A - 1st
     Diet B - 2nd
     Diet C - 3rd

12. Diet A - 1st
     Diet B - 2nd
     Diet C - 3rd

1st place = 3 points
2nd place = 2 points
3rd place = 3points

Overall
Diet A received 24 points
Diet B received 29 points
Diet C received 21 points.

So, you decide ...  Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 02:37:59 pm »

Just like to note that the link appears to be broken, thought this might be useful for a Mod or Admin, if its just me then I do apologuise (or will do when I learn to spell Tongue)!
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 02:41:38 pm »

Sorted, try clicking on the link now Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 08:52:47 am »

I am from the US and I would love to know which diets they are discussing. I tried the link but it no longer works. My gliders are picky and I am not above trying something new.. Thanks for any help. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 12:30:12 pm »

It was bml, a diet containing cat food as the protein source and I can't remember what the other was.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 03:36:04 pm »

Just curious. Do you remember the one that came out on top? Mine HATED the BML diet so no big loss there. I am getting ready to try using catfood as the protein source. Wish me luck! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 01:45:47 am »

good luck! Just a quick tip tho, especially as yours aren't really used to eating crunchy stuff, for the first few times, place them in the dishes on top of the fruit/veg mix to let them soften a bit. Mine would only eat them soft for about a week, then decided they liked them crunchy. Ya mite have to wean them onto them x
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 04:12:56 am »

It certainly wasn't the bml!  I think it was the kibble (cat food) because I remember feeling quite smug!  Lol!
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