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karl23111
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« on: December 26, 2009, 02:22:45 am »

early hours this morning nancy jumped on a Xmas orament resulting in the thing coming down on her and breaking her front leg so the vet is was at 2.45 this morning,,the vet seen her and could feel the a break and give her some antinflamtory and pain killer..the vet said to wait till tuesday for the vets in cardiff to open to see a vet down there coz he knows a bit about sugar gliders or try and keep her in like a small plastic box to keep her less active to see if the break heals its self....What to i do?HuhHuhHuhHuh
The vet i saw give me some things they could do
Surgey which he said that once done she will be at the dressing trying to rip it off
arumpt meaning she have three paws
or keeping her mobile and see if it heals itself
And then it is to be put to sleep...
All i can say that she is eating and drinking fine and does not seem in pain but we all know that sugar gliders are good at hideing things....
AND PLEASE COULD YOU GIVE ME SOME ADVISE ON WHAT BEST TO DO..
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 07:10:13 am »

i think putting her to sleep is a tad dramatic! lol i mean, i know three gliders on this board off the top of my head that have had breaks, and they are fine, and one of those breaks was a continuous rescue case!

i mean, chances are when she has surgery, she will be at the bandage, but that is why there is a E-collars are for! lol

There is a thread on how to make an ecollar in the health section if you need to make one yourself.

Keeping her in a small plastic box away from her friend will cause more harm then good. she will be stressed as she is in pain, and alone, and then with bordeom, will start to self mutilate. Also im not liking the thought of a glider with a disabled paw slipping around in a plastic box.

Get the surgery. Depedning on the break, they are usually ok to fix, and the glider wont seem any different. Keeping a glider away from a dressing is worrying, but its more your worry then the gliders.

When Biscuit tried to chew his arm off cos he got it stuck, i had to watch him for chewing at his bandage, and he was fine. me popping my head in every 2 minutes was more stressful for him then the actual bandage.

With an E-collar and/or careful monitoring, he will be fine, so dont let something like him attacking his bandage put you off.


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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 10:56:01 am »

Poor Nancy!  Did the vet xray her leg to see how bad the break was?  Suggies heal incredibly quickly, one of Rox's suggies suffered two broken legs (rescue) and if I remember correctly the vet suggested euthanisation as the break was very bad.  But Rox decided that was not an option (same conclusion I would have come to also) that she would immobilise and allow the breaks to heal. And heal they did - very quickly and suggie was back to full mobility in no time at all! 

Hopefully Rox will be on to tell the story properly, but I would DEFINATELY say do NOT have Nancy euthanised!  Keep her in a very small cage - something like a hamster cage, pad the floor with shredded paper, but don't forget, the hamster cage is for her own good, it's a little hard for people to understand that as suggies are so active and normally if someone said suggie in a hamster cage they would be frowned upon (slight understatement!).   
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 11:18:13 am »

oh god i hope she gets better! Sad  the advice above certainly sounds like the best course of action for her Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2009, 02:00:04 pm »

If it was me i would check out the surgery. If it was too risky i'd see if she healed fine by herself (which hopefully she would). When Pom was ill, i kept him in a large travel box so that he could heal. The vet suggested he stay in there for 3 days! Shocked He ended up lasting half an hour because he got himself in such a state, literally climbing up the walls, chewing his wound and looking very unhappy, so i popped him with a good glider in a cube and he fell right asleep! Site healed up a treat. Maybe you should see how your glider reacts? Pom felt more comfortable being with the others, and all he wanted to do was rest, but if she wants to go and play, being with the others won't be good. I hope they gave you some PK to take home for her! Poor love!
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 04:57:25 pm »

Good news she is lying on her back in the travel box useing both her hands while eating traets which last night her arm was lifeless...The vet did take her to x-ray but didnt do it because he said he could feel the break he said he didnt wont to watse my money and he give me painkiller and antiinfamtory for half the price which was nice.......That is a good sign that she is using her hand aint it?HuhHuh??No itseems she cant lift her arm...
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2009, 05:38:08 pm »

She has woken right up and wonts to get out of the travel box ive decided to take out of the box and put in the cube with the others...Is this a bad move...she seems to be staying in there anyway....I just keep checking her..Its going to be a late one
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 08:08:26 pm »

Sorry, I have not read this whole thread, but I do want to comment.  I have had multiple experiences with broken legs (I think up to 10 or so now).  Two of those cases had multiple legs broken at the same time.  Broken legs really will heal very well if treated properly.  Here is a little info I wrote up a while back for our research organization:

After Care & Rehabilitation Instructions for
Sugar Glider with Broken Leg
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Diagnosis:   A diagnosis of a broken bone can ONLY be made by x-ray.  Please ensure that your vet takes an x-ray of the suspected break.  Gliders can sustain a wide variety of injuries, so what presents as a broken limb may not, in fact, be a broken limb. 

Options for treatment:
SOME breaks can be repaired.  We have case studies of gliders having breaks pinned using a needle, but this is very rare and can really only be done if the break is close to the middle of the bone.  For breaks close to joints or in smaller bones, they simply cannot be set or repaired in an animal this small.  Your vet will tell you if this surgery is an option.

SUGAR GLIDERS DO NOT DO WELL IN A CAST OR SPLINT.  Additionally, they have proven to be ineffective in providing a stronger healing/calcification than when a splint or cast is not attempted. 

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IF your glider cannot have the bone repaired through surgery, then follow these recommendations:

Use of a liquid calcium supplement:  Ask your vet for a 2-3 week supply of a liquid calcium supplement.  This is used  IN ADDITION TO your regular diet, which should be rich in calcium.  Mix the liquid supplement with the glider’s staple food for a period of time advised by your vet.

Begin or continue using a GOOD glider diet:  For further information on the most up-to-date research and information on glider nutritional needs, please go to
www.glidercentral.net, thesweetspot.forumotion.net or this site  Grin

The single best thing you can do to help your glider heal is to feed a diet that has been proven to maintain healthy gliders and to help an ill glider get well.  The most commonly used diets in the U.S. are HPW, BML, Priscilla Price’s Pet glider diet, PML and a variety of Green Diets. (These are not the only nutritionally sound diets) A balanced diet for a sugar glider includes the use of a staple food (generally a mix that is frozen and dished out nightly), fresh veggies and fresh fruit daily - the diet should include a balanced calcium:phosphorus ratio, not too much or too little protein and an appropriate amount of vitamins and minerals.  Live insects are NOT a significant source of protein for the captive glider, and must not be the sole or primary protein source. 

Use of a hospital cage:   A sugar glider with a broken leg must be confined to a small space and prohibited from climbing.  Creating a hospital cage out of a clear Rubbermaid tub with holes drilled in the lid will prohibit jumping and climbing.  Put fleece, pouch and food/water dishes on the floor of this home-made hospital cage and keep the glider in this cage for 3-6 weeks (your vet can advise you to the length of time, or you can call the number listed at the end of this form).  Do NOT put a wheel or hanging toys in this cage. Floor toys are OK.   The glider is encouraged to rest so that the bones can begin to calcify.


While your glider is healing, investigate the CAUSE of the injury.  Gliders are experienced and prolific acrobats, so a jump or hard landing does NOT cause a broken bone.   
Is your wheel safe and approved for sugar glider use?   Is your cage made of safe material?  Are your cage and play area free of loose strings and items that toes can get caught on?  Are your glider’s nails trimmed regularly?  Are your sleeping and bonding pouches safely made, with no inside seams and no loose strings?  Are all of your toys safe and approved for sugar glider use?  Is your cage free of toxic materials? 
These are just a few of the questions you have to ask yourself.  If you are not sure WHAT is safe for a glider, please check out the websites listed at the end of this form. 

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It is important to restrict the glider’s movements until the bones have completely healed (calcified).  This generally takes 5-8 weeks. Do not allow full, unrestricted activity until a follow-up x-ray has confirmed that the bone is healed. 

In the VAST MAJORITY of cases, gliders will experience functional return of use  of hand or foot (including gripping and climbing) following the complete healing of a broken bone.  The bone may not heal PERFECTLY, and depending upon the location of the break, there may be some deformation or limiting of a joint.  The glider will independently compensate for most of these issues.  If joint mobility or control is limited, slight modifications to the cage can be made to make it a safe environment for the sugar glider to live the remainder of its life.

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For experienced guidance and advice, Contact VAL BETTS at 806-274-9177.
Val is the owner of the Sugar Glider Advanced Research Group and a long-time, experienced rescue home specializing in the rehabilitation of special needs and seriously ill/injured sugar gliders.  She has a wealth of knowledge and experience in the rehabilitation of broken bones in sugar gliders and daily volunteers her time online in chat forums helping owners with health, behavioral and husbandry matters concerning sugar gliders.  She is available for consultation by phone 365 days per year.

Excellent websites for advise and guidance:
www.glidercentral.net       www.sesg.suggies.net    www.thesweetspot.forumotion.net
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2009, 12:53:52 am »

she was fine in the cube most of the night...just got her up for her dose of painkiller which i thought was'nt her coz she was walking around me normal which ment i had to double check  which one it is...cant belive how much it has inproved in a day
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2009, 01:36:27 am »

Excellent addition from Something_to_believe_in there.  You don't need to get liquid calcium from the vets though, you can simply buy zolcal D which is what I advised HDay to use with her rescues and Roxy to use with her suggie's broken leg. 

I told you suggies heal quickly!  My vet is always astonished at how quickly they recover from various injuries/surgeries.  I think come Tuesday the leg will be even more improved. 

I did forget to mention a good diet though, but I'm pretty sure you do that anyway. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2009, 02:22:46 am »

I had a bit of a disaster with a broken leg and the girl self mutilated it to the stage where she had killed it. We did not have her put to sleep though but had the leg removed, all I will add to this thread is if she starts SMing try and discourage it but you cannot be with her all the time and please do not feel guilty should she "self medicate" by SMing just try to rectify it ASAP with a collar or a vet trip.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2009, 03:34:39 am »

Of course - the dreading self mutilating, I 'forgot' about that!   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2009, 04:20:00 am »

Marie should i still take her to vet tomorrow or wait a little longer to see if it compeletley heals itself
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2009, 04:24:40 am »

I'd still take her to be honest.  An x ray can be useful to check bone density as well as to find whether there is a break, it would also be useful to check if the break is healing properly and how quickly.  As I said before, my vet is always amazed at the speed gliders heal.  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2009, 01:04:33 pm »

yes take her to the vets!
it has kind of all been said on here! but xray (although it will mean anaesthetic) is well worth it to check how aligned break is and how well is likely to heal and the bone quality!
phil (my I guess I should say rescue as although I didnt know it at time they basically were being half body weight!)
broke his back leg so badly they couldnt fix it and his bones were so soft they didnt dare!
he was on liquid calcium for ages (based on weight!)
and likewise was told to confine him.... I think we lasted a week with both of them in a large plastic box (like the storage ones so double size hamster cage)
theory being to allow rest, however he and lil soon learnt how to climb plastic (wedging themselves in the corner of box to somehow shimmey up, they also learnt to coordinate swinging from the metal grill on the top of the box in order to move it to allow an escape route....!
by which point I figured as he had no pain that it was time to ignore the vets and get on with it, my compromise was to padd the base of the cage and bring the nest box lower and make sure only small gaps between layers of cage to reduce jumping!

use your instinct - you know your animal and try the restriction to reduce the use of the leg but if it doesnt work or stresses her scrap it, it will heal and even if not they will adjust
only time to be worried (bar SM) is if her use changes, angle changes or it looks like there is circulatory changes (ie cold, pale or black foot)

(keep an eye for up to 6 weeks after) just incase you have non union - phil had this about 4 weeks after his tail break and it wasnt until he started nibbling at the area and got re xrayed we realised as he had shown no sign of pain or distress.

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