how to day train gliders?

[Marie]

Is Fred willing to 'nocturnalise' his room or is he planning on trying to get the gliders used to the daytime?  Again, I never said it would harm them I just pointed out that their eyes are for seeing at night time.

[Marie]

anyone who keeps reptiles & cycles them for brumation knows how to reduce / increase daytime hours to suit & to push it a step further to make the whole day reversed .

Why would you need to reverse the cycles in order to brumate reptiles?  I know the night hours are lengthed slightly but have never heard of the need to reverse the cycle completely ... it doesn't happen in the wild.

[lou]

when I brumated for the winter, I used to follow their natural cycle so I never swapped the day and night cycles but I gradually reduced the temperatures and daylight until it was correct for brumating that species, in my case corn snakes. Its alot easier to brumate snakes than it is to reverse a day/night cycle of a glider. I was just following their natural cycle with brumation but with the day/night swap you are making their cycle unnatural when you think about it. I am not knocking zoos that swap the day and night cycle but they have a house/building etc that has had its light cycle reversed perminently.

To do this in your home you need to have a room dedicated to just that, which means no playing with them with your standard light on in the day, having a day light on at night time ALL night every night, and a day bulb/blackout blinds/etc in the day to mimic the night. Not only is this expensive it is difficult to do unless you have the space/facilities to stick to it and you will not get fed up with a light on all night in one of your rooms. Not possible if you have your gliders in a high used room such as a front room/your bedroom/a used room or bedroom. The room you pick would be redundant for anything else, it would also become the playing room if you were serious about this as you could not keep pulling your gliders out of their "night room" into a room in full day light every time you want to play with them. Its not fai ron the gliders.

I would not do it personally as I think its very difficult to keep going without the facilities a specialised unit or zoo could provide. Also I used to be a twilight worker and it really did screw with my head, I also felt like I was walking around with cotton wool in my ears and brain half the time as my natural cycle was reversed.

ETA: I used to brumate near 100 snakes every winter 


ETA: Interesting topic 

[critterkeeper]

anyone who keeps reptiles & cycles them for brumation knows how to reduce / increase daytime hours to suit & to push it a step further to make the whole day reversed .

Why would you need to reverse the cycles in order to brumate reptiles? 

you wouldnt , & i never said you would 

I know the night hours are lengthed slightly but have never heard of the need to reverse the cycle completely ... it doesn't happen in the wild.

again correct & again i didnt say it was needed nor that it happened in the wild 

what i said was the process could be extended/pushed to make the light on at night & the dark on in the day 
for anyone whos used to making daylight hrs appear different to the real daylight hours its only an extension of said practice

[Mark]

ok, well i will put my bit of info in here.  It is not impossible to swap them around BUT..... i wouldnt, its not just turning the lights on and off and blocking out your windows lots of things have to be taken into account.  The cost, its not just switching a light on, you are going to need a bright daylight set of lights to light the whole room, possibly UV too, i along with some other people have a UV bulb above my glider cage that goes on certain times in a week, so your electric bill is going up.  If you black out the windows you have to make sure no light gets in, so if you black out the glass that also means no opening the window.. so what to do when it gets hot? a fan will just circulate hot air.  So your gliders are used to opposite day and night times, so what do you do if you carry your gliders round? unless you keep them dark then this isnt going to work, things as simple as taking your gliders to the vet can become a shock to their systems as you will be taking them out in the light when their body clocks say its night.  on the whole i would say this is a bad idea, as you know before you get gliders they are nocturnal! simple as that, like it or lump it, dont piss around with they way they are for your own benefit.

[Marie]

Sorry Critterkeeper, I must have mis understood, that is just how it read to me.